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Naman Karl-Thomas Habtom's avatar

Hi Kiran, thank you for taking the time to read my article. Just wanted to make a few remarks.

It is fair to criticise Airwars' methodology but their flaws apply uniformly, which still makes comparing various armed parties a valid exercise. It seems that your focus on methodological flaws only applies to coalition airstrikes, not to the Russian ones.

You write "According to the US State Department, 90% of Russian air strikes were not targeting IS or Al-Qaeda assets in Syria, but instead moderate anti-regime groups." Given that the US was actively trying to overthrow the Syrian government while simultaneously arming the rebels, their designation of several groups as "moderates" is not reliable at all. David Petraeus (admittedly retired by this point) even suggested recruiting fighters from al-Nusra and ISIS to fight against both Damascus and ISIS.

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/01/politics/david-petraeus-al-qaeda-isis-nusra/index.html

The comparison between (the First Battle of) Grozny and Fallujah is also not particularly useful. Sure, Fallujah had far lower deaths because they emptied the city before much of the fighting. A closer comparison would be Mosul, where far more people died than in Fallujah (roughly 10,000, which is more than died in the Second Battle of Grozny) and where ten times as many civilians died than the coalition acknowledged. This is without even noting the obvious difference in post-war reconstruction in Grozny and any Iraqi city bombed by the US.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ap-mosul-isis-civilian-death-toll-10-times-higher-us-iraq-acknowledge/

Furthermore, if we want to expand on the humanitarian challenges due to the American fighting in Fallujah and their use of things like depleted uranium, birth defects in the city went on to be more prevalent in the Iraqi city than in Hiroshima.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2012/1/6/fallujah-babies-under-a-new-kind-of-siege

The claim that "it does not require any research or deep analysis to know that American airstrikes are more precise than Iraqi artillery fire" might be true but that just furthers strengthens the point that the strikes in Libya, where the US-led intervention was almost entirely from the air or sea, was far deadlier than US-led coalition in Iraq.

You are also incorrect in attributing most of the deaths in Libya to the Turkish air force and the rival groups because I am only looking at the stats from 2011 during which the Turks were far less involved. Airwars has separate data sets for Libya 2011 and Libya 2012-present. My piece only relies on the first one.

.Regarding double-tap strikes, the United States has also conducted those around the world.

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2013-08-01/get-the-data-the-return-of-double-tap-drone-strikes/

Finally, on the issue of proportionality, it is unclear if proportionality is particularly relevant to the question of lethality for civilians. Even if the United States is more proportional in its use of force, it can still be the case that their airstrikes are far deadlier for civilians. Given that the Ukrainian military is far bigger than the Libyan military was in 2011, it would lead to the assumption that proportionality would allow for Russian strikes to be significantly deadlier for civilians. Since we don't know what the overall combatant deaths are, we also cannot assert that the United States is more proportional in their use of force. Looking at conflicts overall, the Syrian Civil War has a lower civilian to combatant death ratio than the US war in Iraq, while the Russo-Ukrainian conflict has an even lower civilian casualty rates.

Even if we assume that the US is more proportionate (an assumption we cannot make without data to substantiate it), being a civilian in an area bombed by the US could still be more dangerous. It is remarkable how many foreign leaders regularly visit Ukraine compared to Iraq.

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Alexander McKeever's avatar

Airwars’ incident logs aggregate claims in local media of which they offer a rough assessment of. In most of these incidents in Syria forensic evidence is not accessible, therefore one is often not able to fully confirm the actors responsible, the number of civilian casualties, combatants killed, the nature of the target, etc. Their incident descriptions are written in a way that make this clear. As someone that does related work I’m not aware a methodologically superior way of collecting such data in such contexts. From there they and others conduct longer and more detailed investigations into incidents where stronger evidence is available. Adding a proportionality metric or some sort of checkbox for civilian vs military target would be asinine conjecture in many of these incidents. The incident description references such details with the appropriate caveats based on the sources available.

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